North Korea Sounds Like a Lovely Place, Doesn’t It?

Filed under: Uncategorized — Jeff in Korea at 1:21 am on Friday, November 18, 2005

Korean Reds Targeting Christians

By MEGHAN CLYNE - Staff Reporter of the Sun
November 16, 2005

WASHINGTON - A woman in her 20s executed by a firing squad after being caught with a Bible. Five Christian church leaders punished by being run over by a steamroller before a crowd of spectators who “cried, screamed out, or fainted when the skulls made a popping sound as they were crushed.”

These and other “horrifying” violations of human rights and religious freedom in North Korea are reported in a new study by the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom, titled “‘Thank You, Father Kim Il Sung’: Eyewitness Accounts of Severe Violations of Freedom of Thought, Conscience, and Religion in North Korea.”

The report, released yesterday, comes as President Bush is touring Asia, calling for increased political freedom. In remarks prepared for delivery early this morning in Japan, the president called on Red China to extend more freedom to its population of 1.3 billion. In an advance text of the speech, President Bush also extolled Taiwan, which Beijing considers a renegade province, as “a free and democratic Chinese society.” And the president noted North Korean human rights abuses while reassuring the Hermit Kingdom’s people.

“Satellite maps of North Korea show prison camps the size of whole cities,” Mr. Bush said. “We will not forget the people of North Korea.”

Yesterday on Capitol Hill the chairman of the Commission on International Religious Freedom, Michael Cromartie, and two members of Congress who helped establish the commission, Reps. Frank Wolf of Virginia and Chris Smith of New Jersey, called on Mr. Bush to include the specific findings of the North Korean report in his diplomatic discussions with Chinese and South Korean officials this week, and to urge leaders of both Asian nations to take a firmer stand against their communist neighbor.

Mr. Cromartie told The New York Sun after the event that senior administration officials at the National Security Council had been provided with an advance copy of the report so that Mr. Bush could raise particular human rights abuses with his Chinese and South Korean interlocutors.

Mr. Cromartie said yesterday during the study’s unveiling on Capitol Hill that the report was unique in its depth and breadth, and in the quantity of first-hand accounts, since it is notoriously difficult to obtain reliable information from inside North Korea, owing to the country’s complete isolation under the Kim dictatorship.

Among the first-hand reports are eyewitness accounts of Christians’ being executed for the underground practice of their faith.

The study recounts, for example, how in November 1996 in North Korea’s South Pyongan province, a unit of the North Korean army was tasked with widening a highway connecting Pyongyang to a nearby port city. While demolishing a vacant house, soldiers found in the basement, hidden between two bricks, a Bible and a list of 25 names. Among the list were individuals identified as a Christian pastor, two assistant pastors, two elders, and 20 parishioners who were identified by their occupations.

Hunted down at their workplaces by military police, the 25 Christians were rounded up and detained without any formal judicial procedure. Later that month, the parishioners and their clergy were brought to the road construction site, where spectators had been arranged in neat rows to observe the public execution of the pastor, assistant pastors, and elders. According to a report based on an eyewitness account, the five church leaders “were bound hand and foot and made to lie down in front of a steamroller,” accused of subversion and of being Kiddokyo, or Protestant Christian, spies.

The 20 parishioners were detained near their clergy, and watched, along with the assembled audience, as the five Christian leaders were told they could escape death if they denied their faith and pledged to serve only Kim Jong Il and his father, the first dictator of communist Korea, Kim Il Sung. According to the eyewitness, the clergy remained silent.

For their steadfast belief, the Christians were executed. According to the report, “Some of the fellow parishioners assembled to watch the execution cried, screamed out, or fainted when the skulls made a popping sound as they were crushed beneath the steamroller.”

Another account contained in the report says that on a summer day in North Korea in 1997, a young woman was washing clothes in a tributary of the Tumen River when she dropped a small Bible she had hidden amid the laundry. Spotted by a fellow washerwoman, the girl was reported to North Korean authorities on the suspicion that she was engaging in an exercise of thought or religion condemned by the state. The girl, believed to be in her 20s, and her father, estimated to be around 60, were arrested by local national security police and imprisoned for three months.

One morning, they were taken to a public market area, where, after a brief show trial, the father and daughter were condemned as traitors to the North Korean nation and its communist dictator, Kim Jong Il. The father and daughter were then tied to stakes a few meters from where they had been “tried,” and, before an assembly of schoolchildren, were riddled with bullets by seven policemen who fired three shots each into the pair. According to a report drawn from eyewitness accounts, “The force of the rifle shots, fired from fifteen meters away, caused blood and brain matter to be blown out of their heads.”

The study was compiled by the author of “Hidden Gulag: Exposing North Korea’s Prison Camps,” David Hawk, who was assisted by two South Korean researchers, Jae Chunwon and Philo Kim. Together they interviewed 40 re cent North Korean defectors to gain insight into the religious lives of average North Koreans.

From the interviews, according to Mr. Cromartie, the Commission had obtained a “horrifying picture” of the abuses suffered by Christians and other believers in North Korea.

All of the interviewees had fled to South Korea through China, which has become something of a “safety valve” for North Koreans fleeing religious persecution, Mr. Smith told the Sun yesterday. According to the study, China has received a flood of refugees fleeing the Kim dictatorship, and between 50,000 and 100,000 North Korean exiles remain in China, the commission reported.

China, however, considers dissident North Koreans “economic migrants” subject to repatriation, and the study presents a dismal account of those forced to return to North Korea. According to one defector who was grilled by North Korean border guards, the Kim regime fears that “Juche will be toppled by Christianity,” referring to the state ideology, and exercises brutal control over North Koreans who have been exposed to Chinese or South Korean Christian churches.

According to the study, in order to preserve the complete control Kim Jong Il exercises over his subjects’ minds, repatriated North Koreans are harshly interrogated to determine whether they will infect their countrymen with ideas and information obtained abroad, and Christian believers are often slapped with long prison sentences and hard labor, punishments sometimes passed on to their families and descendants.

The documented fear of Christianity is accompanied by an extensive account of the pervasiveness of the Kims’ cult of personality, and the title of the study, “Thank you, Father Kim Il-Sung,” refers to the phrase North Korean parents are required to first teach their children.

15 Comments »

Comment by Michael

19 November 2005 @ 7:48 pm

Meanwhile, in S. Korea….silence. Roh and his “unification” minister Chung are not as morally repugnant as Kim jongil, but they are definitely morally bankrupt.

Comment by Sad Story

20 November 2005 @ 5:06 pm

Sure it does sound a sad story, and thanks for letting us know about what is really going on in the northern part of this peninsula. Nonetheless, without experiencing what it is like living in a divided country and how painful it is to the people who live with it, you, as a foreigner, are doing nothing but collecting some articles of your interest without true insightful understanding. We, Koreans, do not openly criticize much about how American history has been throughout the scenes of slavery, racial profiling, social drug issues, divorce rates, war in Iraq, etc. That is mostly because of our rationale that the history of your country is of your own and is what you will have to live with until the moment things move forward for the better end. Before pounding on some unpleasant issues/experiences that you faced in the land of Korea, try to speculate on why you are in Korea and what makes you continue to live with what you do not like. Do not forget that you are just a visitor. You will need to do something more constructive (than just bitching about things you do not like or are not familar with) if you are truly willing to see Korea become a better place to live. Have you been to the upper manhattan (so called harlem) or downtown bronx in NY at night? Have you noticed how chaotic things (e.g. looting, thefts, and even murder) had happened on the streets of new orleans amid of the hurricane? Remember Colombine H.S.? Some of the things that happened in the U.S. can’t even compare to some stupid Korean guy puking or shiting on the street. BTW, I did personally step on a pile of human shit on the street of Manhattan once; I know how unpleasant that is to deal with those situations - “Oh Shit!”. However, I never blame/despise the entire group of new york people for that incident. It was just one stupid guy who did it, and it will be even a more stupid thing to stereotypically and publicly blame/judge the entire people in NY. Look into what’s happening in your mother country before fingering at some bad things in Korea, where you just happened to stay. Before thinking about the moment you eyewitnessed some drunken korean guy vomiting in front of a public restroom, try to access how truly better person you are or what you have done better or more for the society you live in. My 14 years of living in the U.S. made me experience both bad and good things about this country, but I always try to look and think postive things and make as much contribution to the place I am at. World will never listen to you unless you substantiate or balance your thoughts. Whining does not help you improve your life. I am not sure what made you be and stay there, but if you happened to be gainfully employed by a Korean employer, be thankful and be a good citizen. I will expect to see your articles written in a more mature/thougtful way next time I visit you. Of course, this is your own weblog and you can say whatever you want, but keeping your writing closer to the common sense will attract more visitors to your site.

Comment by Ziggy Freud

21 November 2005 @ 10:27 am

Wow, a Korean once stepped in human shit in New York, ergo no one should ever criticize massive human rights violations, starvation, or public executions in North Korea ever again.

Hey, look guys, President Roh has joined us on Jeff’s blog.

Comment by Jeff in Korea

21 November 2005 @ 7:52 pm

Dear “Sad Story”,

Usually, I do not waste my time responding to comments such as yours because you have clearly made your comments from a totally ignorant and prejudiced position. You assume FAR too many things about me and what I think.

Although I still consider it largely a waste of my extremely valuable time, I will make a few comments. However, I do not expect that it will change your views in any way.

1.What makes you think that I lack “true insightful understanding”? Simply because I was not born in Korea, does that mean that I cannot understand and feel things the same way that “우리나라 사람” Koreans can? When you lived in America and saw injustices and wrongs committed against people, did you say, “hmm…i’ve only lived here for 14 years, I can’t express an opinion,” or did you say, “That is wrong and should be stopped?” If you said the former, then i question your basic human feelings.

2. You say, “We, Koreans, do not openly criticize much about how American history has been throughout the scenes of slavery, racial profiling, social drug issues, divorce rates, war in Iraq, etc”. That is absolute garbage and you know it. The streets of Seoul have been filled with tens of thousands of people criticising the US for its involvement in Iraq. Every night on the news and every day in the newspapers there are stories about how bad racism is in america, how high the divorce rate is, how america does this and that. If you are going to say something in my space, then at least be intellectually honest.

3. You said, “Do not forget that you are just a visitor.” At what point do I stop being “just a visitor?” I have chosen Korea to be my home, with no plans to return to the US at any time in the near or foreseeable future. I have spent half of my life here. I have participated socially, academically (both as student and as visiting professor of WTO and WTO Dispute Resolution issues), and professionally in Korea. How long and at what level do I have to exist in Korea before my point of view holds validity with you?

4.You say, “Some of the things that happened in the U.S. can’t even compare to some stupid Korean guy puking or shiting on the street.” Here you commit a logical fallacy that virtually all people make when confronted with criticism. You do not even address the validity of my statement. You try to discredit me, not by showing me where my statements are incorrect, but by arguing that things are worse somewhere else. The are two completely separate issues. Don’t confuse them.

I don’t live in NY. Never been there. If I lived there, I would probably complain about some things there. There are certain things that are wrong and should be stopped no matter where they occur. I don’t care where I live, I don’t want people puking in my elevator. I don’t want people trampling me to get on a bus or subway. I don’t want people driving like jackasses (and, yes, that is one thing I complain about continuously back in Utah). I don’t want people jerking me around in the store because I am a foreigner and they think I am stupid. If you think this is ok to do in Korea, then please tell me why. I’d like to hear it. If you want to complain about things in NY, open your own blog and do it.

5. You say, “I am not sure what made you be and stay there, but if you happened to be gainfully employed by a Korean employer, be thankful and be a good citizen.” I am VERY gainfully employed by a Korean employer. I am also very thankful. I am also a good citizen. What does being a good citizen mean to you? Does it mean to just shut up and live with things the way they are? Should Rosa Parks have been a good citizen and just stay in the back of the bus where she was told to go? Should the citizens of Kwangju been good citizens and continued to live under the oppressive reign of Pres. Chun? Should students and people remained good citizens and not called for a stop to the police and prosecutorial abuses under the Roh Tae Woo government? Is that what a good citizen is; someone who knows their place and stays in it? Or is a good citizen someone who sees something that should not be happening anywhere at any time and calls people’s attention to it?

6.You say, “writing closer to the common sense will attract more visitors to your site.” First of all, I don’t want or care about more visitors to my site. I don’t write for you or anyone else. I write only for myself. If someone likes it, then fine. If they don’t, then that is fine too. I would do what I do even if I had ZERO readers.

Second, what is it about pointing out firsthand horrifying abuses and murder of your brothers and sisters in the North do you find to be lacking in common sense?

7. Talking about, credibility, common sense, valid opinions, etc. if you want to be taken seriously and engage in intelligent discourse on this issue, or even if you want to express your opinions, then the least you should do is provide a valid email address so that I can address your comments in a more private manner.

Comment by Ziggy Freud

22 November 2005 @ 8:41 am

Very well said, Jeff, you’re a good writer, but methinks you are wasting your cyber-breath on this troll.

The Urinara “Love-us-or-leave-us” trolls are all pretty much the same.

Refer to “Point #6″ in the comment section of your previous blog post; these guys are utterly incapable of introspection or self-criticism.

Mostly incapable of even recognizing a logical fallacy, much less avoiding one. Something on the order of: “If anything similar happens anywhere else in the world, no matter on how small a scale, then it is okay for us to engage in the same activitiy, no matter on how large a scale. If someone once went hungry in Los Angeles, then it’s okay for Koreans to sit by idly while 3 million starve to death in North Korea. And then it’s okay for Koreans to blame the starvation on America. If an American once crapped in public in New York, then it’s just fine for Koreans to step in sidewalk pizzas and do nothing to address the problems that arise from their own public drunkenness. If an American once rendered a less than flattering opinion about Korea, then it’s alright for Koreans to gather by the tens of thousands in front of the US Embassy week after week and burn the flag of the only country to ever give a shit about them without trying to annex them.”

In the words of a famous redneck prison warden…”What we have here is…failure to communicate. Ya see, some men you just can’t reach.”

Why do you even bother?

Comment by Michael

22 November 2005 @ 3:25 pm

Wow. If “sad story” (what an appropriate name!) is really Korean, it gives you some frightening insight into how far some Koreans go to rationalize their inaction/indifference to other Koreans in the North who are being starved, tortured, and killed. Those are your relatives in North Korea, “sad story.” America may have some problems, but at least our government spoke out on the horrible human rights situation in North Korea, while the South Koreans stay silent.

Comment by Kikaider

23 November 2005 @ 1:17 am

I have been a long time reader of the site. Good stuff.

Comment by dg611

23 November 2005 @ 3:44 pm

Sad story…(such an appropriate moniker) for you are truly a sad case. Though you make some valid points about cultural sensitivity, your posting is totally inappropriate and unrelated to Jeff’s posting on north Korea…perhaps you were commenting about something else on this blog.

Jeff…all I can say is…’right on’ good stuff.

Comment by Silly Sally

3 December 2005 @ 1:33 pm

Jeffrey,

Glad to see you are coming out of your depression.

I agree with your logic implying that a bold statement against human rights violations in North Korea — in such a Rosa Parksian manner — morally aligns one with “good” world citizenship.

Rosa Parks was not a simple seamstress whose lonely act of defiance in 1955 sparked the beginning of the Civil Rights Movement. In fact, she was a trained Communist Party (CPUSA) activist.

Her refusal to move to the back of the bus wasn’t a spontaneous gesture, but a provocation organized by her longtime employer, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP).

Recently, Rosa Parks’ body lay in state under the Capitol Rotunda; an honor accorded only 29 times in US history, to people like Abraham Lincoln, John Kennedy, and most recently Ronald Reagan… the most honored communist in American history.

Your encouragement for South Koreans to take a stand in the example of Rosa Parks reminds me of President Clinton’s eulogy for Rosa: President Clinton said her action “ignited the most significant social movement in American history.”

Jeff, Koreans are half-way there in emulating Rosa Parks — they are natural communists — they just need encouragement from you to take a stand.

Carry-on brave comrade in Republican clothing!

Comment by Danielle

7 December 2005 @ 11:52 am

Although I see all the logic holes in ’sad story’s entry, it is also extremely disheartening for me to see many of the responses to Sad Story’s entry. “Why even bother?” “…wasting your time?” Saying those things completely defeats the entire purpose of this blog altogether and every second you spend writing a comment. Jeff is pointing out things about Korea so they can be FIXED - to plant the idea of actually ACTING on vitally important problems. I doubt Jeff would “waste” his time even thinking about these issues if they were unimportant. Every time somebody comments what a “big waste of time” it is when Jeff is trying to explain and solidify his views to others is inherently insulting to Jeff and simply shows how shallow you are as an individual. To change people’s point of view and present your opinions in a logical manner - that’s the point of a blog isn’t it? Jeff may not care about the INDIVIDUALS who come to his blog necessarily (aka Sad Story) but I think Jeff does still very much care about the issues he writes about and that people understand why he’s thinking the way he does. If he didn’t he would be writing his entries into MS Word, not a website.

No, North Korea is not justified for their acts of human cruelty and, no, South Korea is not justified for being a chicken and staying on the down-low. There is no question to the fact something must be done. Unfortunately, history has long proven real radical action usually comes at the last possible minute - this is not a justification, this is a fact.

An example:
Following the above format: No, America is not justified for slavery. How many years did it take for America to state in a legal fashion that the slave market was illegal? Then how many years did it take for blacks as individuals to become equals in the eyes of law (voting)? Then how many years did it take for blacks to become in equals in the eyes of society (segregation)? For how many DECADES were the American people silent in the face of racism and hate (aka were “morally bankrupt”)? Finally, we have arrived — America can finally say we are a land of true acceptance and diversity. FINALLY, we admit that slavery a bad idea. It took is us well into a century to really act as a nation enough to make a difference in the everyday life of the common people. We can’t expect another country what we did not and cannot do ourselves and criticize them in the same breath. It’s simply hypocritical and embarrassing to America. “Failure of communication?” I guess that’s what happened when M. Luther King Jr. was assassinated. King just wasn’t communicating with James E. Ray. And if blacks had given up then - where would America be today?

And in more general terms - what does America stand for? Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness. How has America always achieved this? Through the words and the constant hounding of the government by VERY FEW PEOPLE. Every nation, including America, must admit that when it comes to radical action - well over 50% of the people become disturbingly silent. As political polls show, most people are quite ‘moderate.’ It took years and years of the FEW to finally accomplish what all the generations afterwards take credit for - e.g. With an exception of the truly racist, I am sure there aren’t many of you that will stand up in the middle of the Metro and yell, “Nigger, tie my shoes!” Indeed, it would be morally repulsive to even consider it for most people. And how will America continue to live up to everything we stand for? By doing exactly what the courageous few did decades ago. Continue speaking out with a logical, open-mind in despite the ignorance, indifference and shallowness of the general public. One person who ’sees the light’ is worth 100 ignorant people.

To Michael: “Wow. If “sad story” (what an appropriate name!) is really Korean, it gives you some frightening insight into how far some Koreans go to rationalize their inaction/indifference to other Koreans in the North who are being starved, tortured, and killed. Those are your relatives in North Korea, “sad story.” America may have some problems, but at least our government spoke out on the horrible human rights situation in North Korea, while the South Koreans stay silent.” You sound amusingly self-righteous and I take it you are American. How embarrassing for all other Americans. So, it’s okay, right, since blacks were never actually from America (you had to kidnap them from another continent) much less your “relatives” - goodness, this gives me some frightening insight into how far some Americans go to rationalize their inaction/indifference to other Americans in their own backyard (oh, wait! Blacks weren’t ‘really’ American) who were being starved, tortured, and killed. Yeah, it’s easy for America to “at least speak out” about Korea just as easy it is for Korea to “at least speak out” about America. You are committing the same crime you are accusing someone else of. Neither ‘Sad Story’ or you are above each other - don’t be so proud, it’s pathetic. You two are both incapable of looking at your own flaws. And out of curiosity, since you seem like the ideal person to ask, just when was America speaking out on “the horrible human rights situation” in the 19th century?

I heartily endorse this blog for shamelessly addressing painful issues that Korea must deal with but I am disappointed by many of the readership’s inability to discern the difference between keeping an open mind and demanding change. We should never give up saying what we believe needs to be done. Hopefully, this blog will help enough individuals to speak out one at a time and so Korea can finally take meaningful action with North Korea and one day also reach the point America took a century to reach, as well.

Comment by rowan

11 December 2005 @ 5:35 pm

Danielle,

I’m disappointed in your apparent inability to distinguish between past and current human rights issues, and what has been done by others in the past and what is still being done today. I couldn’t disagree with you more when you state “I am disappointed by many of the readership’s inability to discern the difference between keeping an open mind and demanding change” There is not justification, “keeping and open mind” among them for overlooking human rights abuses. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. South korea is full of people who are more than happy to turn a blind eye (aka. “keep and open mind”)

Comment by Ziggy Freud

15 December 2005 @ 1:07 pm

You are committing the same crime you are accusing someone else of.

Wow, Sad Story has reappeared as Danielle.

So lemme get this straight….

When Michael criticizes South Korea’s chicken-shit stance on North Korean mass murders, forced starvation, execution of the religious and the megalomaniacal madness of KJI, he is guilty of the same thing, because of course…he is an American and some Americans once did something really bad to the black folks.

And, I’m sure in your detailed sociological survey of American black people you’ve noticed a growing mass movement to migrate back to Africa. Why in only a few more years America won’t have any black people left at all because they will have all returned to the African paradise from which they were all kidnapped by those evil American bastards oh so long ago.

Americans should just shut their traps about North Korean mass murders because in 1693 an American sailor bought a load of human cargo from an African tribal chieftan [oh, the irony!] near the Ivory Coast and that settled America’s moral position forever and all eternity.

Sorry, but I don’t buy it. And you’ll have to do better at changing your username in the future. Surely, you are in fact, “sad story”, the same person who once stepped in poo in New York and was forever emotionally scarred and blames all Americans for all evil in the world. Time to get a new name. We’re on to you now.

Comment by Qwerty

25 December 2005 @ 8:59 pm

A lot of these human rights abuses in NK probably have about as much truth to them as Iraq’s WMDs. Some of the stories coming from defectors are just plain silly - like the report in the “Gulag” paper about women suddenly vomiting blood after eating poisoned cabbage. Straight out of Battle Royale! Can’t blame economic refugees for trying to get some sympathy from the silly American christians.

Just remember that NK has 200,000 people in those camps, which is about 1% of its population. The US has about the same proportion in jail.

Comment by sandbags

28 December 2005 @ 5:51 pm

Qwerty shut the fuck up and go back to Canada.

Comment by partypooper

29 December 2005 @ 12:31 am

Hi Qwerty,

Just for your own good, you probably should know that you are a moron.

Admit the problem, that’s the first step…

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